May 30th, 2011 
Admin Question by Mei Mei: Atheists, what do you make of all the biblical prophecies that seem to have been fulfilled?
1. The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3. Prophecy fulfilled. This happened exactly as predicted on May 14, 1948. That’s 1 out of 1.
Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later. For the last 2500 years, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel. Nevertheless, the Bible showed that the day would come when the nation of Israel would be reborn.
The rebirth of Israel was a key sign, indicating we had entered a time period called the latter days. It was the beginning of a countdown leading to the Tribulation and culminating with the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus immediately after. Along with the fulfillment of this crucial event are over 360 prophecies that would all come together, so we might recognize that the Tribulation is very close at hand. Twenty nine of them are listed here.
Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things, despite the overwhelming evidence of the fulfillment of the signs from God’s Word and the incredible rebirth of Israel happening exactly as predicted. As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times.
2. Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 2 out of 2.
Note: On Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the U.N. approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. On the morning of May 14, 1948 (the last day of the British mandate), a meeting of the People’s Council took place in Israel to decide on the name of the state and to finalize the declaration. At exactly 4pm, the proclamation ceremony began at the Tel Aviv museum. The 979 Hebrew words of the Scroll of Independence were read. All stood, and the scroll was adopted. The notorious White Paper, issued by the British in 1930 restricting Jewish immigration, was declared null and void. Members of the People’s Council signed the proclamation. David Ben-Gurion rapped his gavel, declaring, “The State of Israel is established. This meeting is ended.” Israel was brought forth as a nation in one day, at once. It happened exactly as predicted. At midnight, the British soldiers and high commissioner would leave. President Truman was swift in announcing U.S. recognition of Israel. The following morning, on May 15, Israel was under armed attack by the Egyptians, Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians, and Iraqis.
3. The rebirth of Israel would happen after many days. It would occur a long time in the future after the prophecy was made and at the time the bible calls the latter days-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 3 out of 3.
Note: It is estimated that this prophecy was made around 580 B.C. Approximately 2500 years later, in 1948, this prophecy was fulfilled.
4. Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) “out of the nations.”-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 4 out of 4.
Note: As previously stated, on Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the “United Nations” approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. This prophecy was perfectly fulfilled. Consider, for centuries the land of Israel had been occupied by many nations. Israel was “brought forth out of the nations”—the children of Israel from many nations were returning to their ancient homeland.
5. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967. That’s 5 out of 5.
Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know we are in the last generation. One is by Israel’s rebirth. The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time. Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948. The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled. A Jewish generation is figured from the age of 20 to 60 (1968). We are not setting any date, but it seems clear that we are living in that generation now.
6. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus. Prophecy fulfilled. That’s 6 out of 6.
Note: God will spew them out. Many church leaders and people that call themselves a Christian and are sure they are saved will not be going to heaven. The Bible tells us—you have acquired wealth, but your true condition is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked and you don’t know it-Rev 3:14-22. This is today’s church. Most churches preach very little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories. Many sing a great deal, but put very little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy, water baptism by immersion, and studying your Bible faithfully every day.
theyguy: I sincerely hope your answer was sarcastic, lol. I have no wish to convert you into a Christian. I am trying to recover from Christianity myself. That stuff messes with your head like you wouldn’t believe.
amaya: I do not wish to offend you. Perhaps I should have used the word “unbelievers”. It was just one of those moments when I wasn’t thinking clearly about everything (I’m sleep-deprived, lol)
Just so you know, these are not my words…I copied and pasted.
I no longer call myself a Christian.
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Answer by Invisible Talker
It’s the “post-connect-the-dots” -strategy. Make enough vague predictions and some are bound to come true.
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I don’t use the bible as a reference point to my reality…
So you’re saying Nostradamus should have also been considered a prophet?
OMG! I never knew any of that.
I am now a Christian.
Good Work, Soldier!!
All I see is blah blah blah. Why are you reaching so far? What do you hope to achieve?
Well they always remember the ones that come true.
Some prophecies are vague and as such are easier to fulfill. And others are just a guess, and when you make a whole lot of different guesses, one of them is bound to be right.
For example, if I say fire will rain from the sky, that could mean nuclear war, meteor showers, vulcanic eruption, or many other things. Somebody is bound to see some resemblance to an event that happened and then say “Look! It came true!”.
the bible must be psychic.
sarcasm
Coincidence. I have had them, too. And yes, Nostradamus was vague, too. I don´t believe him, either. Dreamstuff entity made excellent points.Edit: You don´t like sensible answers, Mythos? Then stop writing rubbish.
No,they are not accurate and are open to interpretation,nothing in the bible about computers or aircraft or people going to the moon or television or etc…..
1. There are several mundane ways in which a prediction of the future can be fulfilled:
1. Retrodiction. The “prophecy” can be written or modified after the events fulfilling it have already occurred.
2. Vagueness. The prophecy can be worded in such a way that people can interpret any outcome as a fulfillment. Nostradomus’s prophecies are all of this type. Vagueness works particularly well when people are religiously motivated to believe the prophecies.
3. Inevitability. The prophecy can predict something that is almost sure to happen, such as the collapse of a city. Since nothing lasts forever, the city is sure to fall someday. If it has not, it can be said that according to prophecy, it will.
4. Denial. One can claim that the fulfilling events occurred even if they have not. Or, more commonly, one can forget that the prophecy was ever made.
5. Self-fulfillment. A person can act deliberately to satisfy a known prophecy.
There are no prophecies in the Bible that cannot easily fit into one or more of those categories.
2. In biblical times, prophecies were not simply predictions. They were warnings of what could or would happen if things did not change. They were meant to influence people’s behavior. If the people heeded the prophecy, the events would not come to pass; Jonah 3 gives an example. A fulfilled prophecy was a failed prophecy, because it meant people did not heed the warning.
3. The Bible also contains failed prophecies, in the sense that things God said would happen did not (Skeptic’s Annotated Bible n.d.). For example:
* Joshua said that God would, without fail, drive out the Jebusites and Canaanites, among others (Josh. 3:9-10). But those tribes were not driven out (Josh. 15:63, 17:12-13).
* Ezekiel said Egypt would be made an uninhabited wasteland for forty years (29:10-14), and Nebuchadrezzar would plunder it (29:19-20). Neither happened.
4. Other religions claim many fulfilled prophecies, too (Prophecy Fulfilled n.d.).
I don’t see anything here but some cherry picked data. Also, those “prophecies” are about as useful as a daily horoscope.
Notice how all those prophecies are about Israel?
Right. Ok. I live in the United Kingdom.
I prophecise that sometime in the future there will be civil war and hatred in the United Kingdom, there will be severe conflicts of interests. Cornwall will be fought for and become seperate completely from the United Kingdom.
Now, sit back and watch until the end of the human race to see if it happens.
It will at some point, because I can say ANYTHING will happen in the future and in the hundreds of thousands years we have left, it most likely will.
The house you’re sitting in will be destroyed at some point in the future.
A new home will be built where your house once stood.
Aren’t I magic?
What prophecies? First off, the state of Israel of today has no resemblance to the kingdom of Israel referred to in the Bible. Besides, all you’ve done is taken 6 verses, interpreted them as prophecies, and left out all the significant ones, chief among which is the idea that the messiah is supposed to ascend the throne of David and reestablish his monarchy.
Easy. Religious people want prophecies in their scriptures to come true, to prove their religion right. If people of that religion have the political power – they can certainly make prophecies like rebirths of nations come true with time.
Common sense to try and influence politics in a religion’s favour if you have the power, really. If atheism had prophecies, it’s likely that atheists in politics would urge themselves to make prophecies within their reach come true.
But number 6 I don’t really understand. Does it mean that the church will neither be the dominating religion, nor the most lacking? Fluctuations in popularity of religion always happen – Christianity used to be the biggest, certainly. But if that’s not what it means, could you clarify?
Throw enough prophecies at a wall and one will eventually stick, these prophecies are not time-specific events nor do they allow for any intervention, the Jews returned to Israel BECAUSE the Bible said so.
The Jews have been trying to get back together for a long time, it is no surprise this happened sooner or later. They were obsessing over it for most of the time they were scattered. 1-5 of your “prophecies” deal with that. (6) could apply to almost any period of Christianity.
In general, fuzzy prophecies aren’t very impressive to me. Why doesn’t anyone ever make a prophecy that clearly states date and time?
Ask a Muslim about the prophecies and proofs of validity of Qu’ran.
I’ll make a point here, though. #4 Is a particularly interesting case where the US pushed hard for Israel to be established in Palestine specifically because the Bible said it. That’s one of the reasons many middle easterners despise the Israeli/US (Judeo-Christian) alliance.
Many of these ‘prophecies’ were writtn AFTER the events took place. However most of these ‘prophecies’ are failed are way too general.
Israel regaining the city for starters has not yet happened, and they have alot of christians trying to fullfill prophecies themselves which is no big miracle. The bible DOES NOT say that within the generation after the ‘rebirth’ of the nation of Israel that the end will be fullfilled, you hve to READ that into the text.
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If you heard that the world will end tomorrow would you run out and get all you could of the things you like best or just look at the guy like
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Prophecies can be made up on the spot, some can be thrown in the trash, and even more prophecies could be taken out of the original context to serve a purpose.
Hello, meh:
I agree with you in substance, however…
God gave the prophecies so we could understand them clearer after they fulfilled: Ezekiel 33:33 “And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,) then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them.” Before fulfillment, before they were manifest, they were subjects of speculation.
There are two streams of prophecies for the Jews. Blessings–upon obedience; and Curses–upon transgression.
Let me ask you, which path did Israel take?
Yes, the curses follow them. So, although Israel has returned, then the rest of Ezekiel 38 must fulfill. And it names the very nations, once Christian and now Islamic, who will attack at the “end of the days.”
Satan himself must also rule there and the whole world will bow at his feet and say: “Isaiah 25:9 “Lo, this [is] our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this [is] the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.”
How long before the world finds out Israel gave us the Devil? Not long, and as the world attempts to eliminate him, it will be destroyed.
Read Isaiah 24–it describes the last day of planet earth–it falls and will NOT RISE AGAIN. Then re-read Ezekiel 38 THOROUGHLY–yes, it will be pretty hot: 2 Peter 3:10 “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”
God closed one part of the Bible, Daniel 12, until our days. Don’t even attempt to decipher the code without the key–IT WILL PUT THINGS IN THEIR RIGHT PERSPECTIVE: http://abiblecode.com
Shalom, peace in Jesus, Ben Yeshua
Number 1 was written after the destruction of Israel as a state and during the time Josiah was trying to justify the primacy of Judea. It wasn’t prophecy it was political propaganda.
2. see number 1.
3,4,5. These are all to do with the Assyrian destruction of Israel and the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem.
6 sounds just like an excuse for fear of failure, not a prophecy.
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You make a sort of oblique point. Scores of prophecies have been fulfilled, particularly the ones predicting Christ’s ministry on this planet. However, much of the prophecy yet to be fulfilled involves Israel. This is the paradigm that is generally ignored by most of Christianity because most of Christianity believes the country today calling itself Israel is the Israel of Biblical prophecy. This is not true. The country calling itself Israel is, at the most, a fraction of Israel, a portion of the tribe of Judah, a portion of the tribe of Levi, and small portion of Benjamin, plus Kazhars who are Jewish only in religion, not blood line.
Where is the rest of Israel? The sons of Joseph are, generally speaking, the English speaking people of our modern world (located in Australia, Canada, US, UK, etc.). Much of the tribe of Reuben, prophesied not to excel, is located in Northern France. Zebulun is located in Holland. The tribe of Dan is located in Denmark and Ireland. Dan is generally involved in idolatry (bowing before statues) and is therefore not mentioned in the 144,000 in Revelation. Tribe of Gad migrated to Switzerland. A lot of the tribe of Issicar is located in Finland and among the Basque people of southern Europe.
You don’t expect to get any sensible answers do you? I mean – God; look- there’s one guy up there who’s quoting chapter and verse from – of all things- the “skeptics annotated bible”.
Is it any wonder why these people are so damn deluded?
They simply cannot understand the concept of where symbolism and the flow of time meet. For example, if something doesn’t happen right here and now, these people say, “See? It was false!”, yet they simply fail to comprehend the fact that God’s timeline is not dictated by when they think a prophecy should be fulfilled.
Another example. The Revelation speaks of an end-time system where world governments would unite into a single, all-encompassing geopolitical super body of nations which, when formed, would give all power to Satan who will then rule for a short period of time.
A simple check into history will show that all this was inaugerated with the Treaty of Rome in 1956, which laid the political foundations for what we now know- beyond all possible doubt – as the “European Union”. There are talks of doing the same thing with the United States, Canada, Mexico, Central America, and South America.
Believe me- this is too vast a reality for anyone of these people to grasp unless they work past their own bias and prejudice against the bible and its prophecies and actually begin to do the research instead of parroting around useless claims such as those found in the skeptics annotated bible, or the ramblings of some mystic by the name of Nostrodamus whose so-called “predictions” (not “prophecies”- BIG difference) have been thoroughly debunked time and again.
Ambiguous statements are not prophecies, just nonsense. It is foolish to believe anything in the judeo/christian book of “creation myths” (the bible) has come about because it was a “supposed” prophecy. Do you believe in the crock that Nostradamus character, or whatever his name was, too? You shouldn’t be so gullible!
Firstly I object to the question since it calls to ‘atheists’ to refute the biblicall prophesies. Not all non-believers of ‘biblical prophesies’ are atheists! There maybe Christians themselves who do not believe these – not to mention people of other faiths.
And to answer the question, I think Dreamstuff Entity has given a pretty good answer.
But to add something, I do not think prophesies concerning large masses of humanity can ever be accurately made. That would indicate the existence of a ‘destiny’ and would mean we have no free will. Gosh that would be really boring!
And those prophesies that you say are fulfilled were done so by people who knew about those prophesies anyway.
Also its not like those prophesies were written in plain English. We’re at the mercy of the interpreters who can choose to interpret them in any way that pleases them.
1. By the time most of the Old Testament was written down, Israel had already come under foreign domination and the people had been scattered several times. They always hoped that one day soon Yahweh would see to it that the nation was reunited under its own rule. That’s not a prophecy, it’s an expression of reality followed by a hope for the future. I’m sure the original authors would have been very surprised had they known that a nation called Israel would be formed by international decree over two thousand years after that was written.
2. You conveniently ignore the “one moment” part of that verse and focus on the “one day” part. Interesting.
3. “After many days.” Realistically, I’m sure the authors knew that foreign domination wasn’t going to end tomorrow, but saying that they knew it would be over two millennia is stretching credibility to the breaking point.
4. Of course they thought Israel would be reborn out of many nations. This was when the Jews had been scattered during the Babylonian exile. Most of them were able to return to Jerusalem when the political situation shifted again. The prophecy was fulfilled then, not in 1948.
5. Israel regained the city of Jerusalem after the Babylonian exile.
6. The Christian church has always been lukewarm, based on sermons from the past two millennia. Before the revival movement of the early 19th century, church membership was much lower than it is now, and through most of the Middle Ages people went to church because it was required, not because they were “on fire for Jesus.” If you look at it with some historical perspective, the Christian church in the US is more fervent than the church has been through most of history, with only the early 19th century more fervent. Only a person entirely ignorant of history could believe that the church is more lukewarm today than at any point in history.
Prophecy NOT fulfilled.
If you look a little, you will find many ancient books by non-christians that contain at least 5 so-called prophesies that have been “fulfilled”. I don’t make anything of it. I notice that your sixth prophecy has not really been fulfilled. It shows your standard for fulfillment.